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Should I invite a Vegan to run the grill at my Tri-tip
BBQ? Should I purchase a weight loss book and prop
it prominently on my wife's dusty treadmill? Some questions seem
pregnant with an obvious and emphatic "No" answer. Many would say
that the question "Can Biblical Creation and the Big Bang Theory
Coexist?" is destined for the same negative response. While some
"enlightened" thinkers may reject the question as superfluous and
answer the opposite, "of course." You, like I, may take a more
cautionary approach and say "define your terms," and in a moment I
will. A conspiracy between Creation and the Big Bang may have never hit
your radar. Well, now it has. And, as you read this sentence, I
think I know something about you. You are curious and courageous. You have pushed past the heat and noise emitted
from the incendiary terms within the title of this paper and are pressing
in to see what can be found beyond. Welcome.
A little about me: I'm not a physicist;
I'm not a scientist of any sort; nor am I a theologian. So the very idea
of me addressing this issue may seem ludicrous on the surface. However, I was
born into a generation of freethinkers, my dad strongly encouraged me to form
my own opinions, and I naturally crave truth. Conventional wisdom
is anathema to me. When I see it coming I am immediately put on
guard. I am a fan of philosophy and logic. But I don't claim that
all of my actions or motives are purely logical, and if put on trial for being
a philosopher, my case would be summarily thrown out of court. Thus, having
listed all of the reasons why I am not necessarily qualified to speak on this
irrational topic, I will proceed to unhesitatingly do just that.
This is not a treatise on either the
Big Bang Theory or Creation.It's an extended thought experiment that I don't see
as contradicting what is generally believed about either of those two events. In full disclosure, I have to admit that I am a firm believer in Creation
and have in the past always rejected the Big Bang Theory. However, a few
weeks ago I began a thought experiment that has culminated in me writing this
article.
But first those definitions:
"The Big Bang Theory"
"The Big Bang theory," according
to Wikipedia, which we know to be the source of all authoritative answers,
"is the prevailing cosmological model for the universe from
the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale
evolution. It states that the universe expanded from a very high
density state, and offers a comprehensive explanation for a broad range of
observed phenomena, including the abundance of light elements, the cosmic
microwave background, large scale structure, and Hubble's Law. If the
known laws of physics are extrapolated beyond where they are valid, there is a
singularity. Modern measurements place this moment at approximately 13.8
billion years ago, which is thus considered the age of the universe."
"Creation"
Creation is far more simple. In six
consecutive days at the beginning of time, God created everything within our
universe; starting with light on day one, and culminating with the creation of
Adam and Eve, the first humans, on day six.
Let's allow those definitions to
represent a wide range of debatable variations under which such volatile terms
as these are often buried. I am not interested in debating those
variations here. Each variation could be debated, supported, and undermined in
a dozen papers such as this. I would like to keep to the surface
definitions and see what we can derive from a big picture approach.
So, having broadly defined our terms, I
would like to explore whether or not the Big Bang Theory and Creation can
coexist. I will present four thought experiments in the following paragraphs
to guide that exploration. We will consider "apparent age," the
expansion of the universe, a neutrino spewing supernova, and a Divine
imagination. Throughout the paper, and most certainly in the end, my
opinion will emerge. I will pose some questions throughout. I would
like to think that this work will help answer those questions.
Allow me then to begin the first
thought experiment with an illustration that I have presented on numerous
occasions. As I stated earlier, I am a believer. I believe that God
created the universe. I understand that you may not hold my beliefs, but I invite you to still join me in the experiment.
Experiment #1
Let us imagine that on day one, in the
pristine garden where the first humans, Adam and Eve, have been placed, they
have been afforded one additional element not listed in the book of Genesis; a
chainsaw. Now let us imagine that Adam goes out into the forest to cut down a
very large tree. Eve is nervous - as all good wives should be as they
watch their husbands feather the trigger of a grumbling chain saw - but
especially considering that well, Carhartt camouflage, cut-retardant, chainsaw
chaps weren't exactly the fashion yet.
Remember, however, that Adam was
created in perfection. His skills with a chainsaw would be phenomenal. Thus,
after a few moments of chaotic noise, the two would watch a tree crash
tragically through the canopy and underbrush. We can imagine Eve walking up to
the felled tree and placing her hand on the stump. But what is this? What
are these concentric circles? She runs her hand across the rough surface - what
is she doing?
Is it possible that she is fingering
and counting the growth rings of the tree? How can this be? The tree has
existed for approximately 3 days. The tree should be one giant growth ring, and
yet in our thought experiment it is very difficult for us to imagine what a
singular growth ring might look like. In our mind's eye we all envision the
well-known minute variegated pattern of yearly growth.
Let's run the experiment again in
another part of the garden. We follow the pair as they leave the forest and
walk out into the middle of a swiftly flowing stream. As the pair approached
the stream, they stepped gingerly on pink fleshy feet, tender against the
angular stones. However, here where they have paused in the middle of the
stream, the rocks are more kind. The water has worn them smooth. But
again, how can this be? How can water that has been flowing for so short a
time, have worn these rocks so smooth?
In the above experiment we demonstrate
a concept often referred to as "apparent age." This concept in brief,
states that at creation everything including Adam and Eve appeared to have been
around for some time. All grass was not tiny shoots emerging from the
soil, trees were not minuscule seedlings without bark or fruit, and all
geological and geographical features were not pristinely undisturbed like the
surface of a lake or the curve of a marble. Possibly, my experiment is even
misleading, as Adam and Eve's feet must have been created already calloused and
resilient.
A historical account was carved into
the universe - even as time began. This basic building block, apparent
age, is important as we continue the larger thought experiment, and the
concept will be a foundation from which we continue to build. Let me warn
you here though, that I am not insinuating that God is in any way
deceiving us. Rather, He left historical documentation for prior events -
that didn't really occur. I know - that's a leap. But, suspend your
criticism and disbelief for a moment. We will come back to this in a
little while.
Now, before we move on to the next
phase of the experiment, I want to address one more issue with regard to age.
In order to have age you must have time. As Christians, we accept the Biblical
statement that for God, on thousand years is as a day and conversely, a day -
one thousand years. While I have no problem with this element of
theology, and I certainly agree that God is above and beyond time and is not
restricted by our understanding of time, the thought experiments I am
performing are not based on God's elevation above time. It was Albert Einstein
whose biography first introduced me to the thought experiment, and it is
Albert Einstein who gave the world the space-time continuum. However, while I
am using thought experiments, the space-time continuum, fortunately, will
also not be important in understanding the thought experiments.
What is going to be
important is a healthy imagination. I am not going to attempt to change your
theology, your fundamental beliefs about science, or your mind. I simply want
you to imagine, follow my line of reasoning, and join me at the conclusion of the
experiments to assess what we have observed.
So then, let's move on to the second
experiment.
Experiment #2
For this experiment you will need to imagine an elongated cone. Imagine an elongated cone not unlike the shouting device a cheerleader might use on the sidelines of a football game. For our purposes let's imagine this cone is, maybe four feet long, with the smaller end pointing to the left and the larger end pointing to the right. Then, let's immediately break with the idea of something to shout through and bring the cone to a single closed point at our left. We are going to imagine that this cone represents the passage of time. In a way, it's a sort of three-dimensional timeline that expands from left to right.
We will then need to put graduated
lines along the cone to indicate dates. The wide end of the cone, the rim, will
need to represent today's date. Tomorrow will cause the cone to grow larger and
longer, extending to the right. Moving backward in time along the narrowing
neck, we'll draw a line where we see man land on the moon, another at
Napoleon's fatal pause in Moscow, then Rome's demise, the destruction of
Solomon's temple and Abraham's sojourn from Ur of the Chaldees. Finally, somewhere at the midpoint of the cone, we arrive at a widely
debated range where we'll draw a wide line, representing the date of creation. Creationists actually cannot agree on the exact date of Creation, so we
are going to give it a range of six thousand to ten thousand years ago - and
not argue about it. Ok?
Sorry for all of the fits and starts,
but we need to pause the experiment again, for just a moment, because this thought experiment is going to require the use of another concept. This
next concept is the expansion of the universe. I know little to nothing about redshift in observing the stars, and the physics required to understand how it
is that the universe is not only expanding but also accelerating. However, it is now almost universally accepted that the universe is
actively expanding and accelerating. It was this discovery, by Edwin
Hubble in the early 1900's that, to the chagrin of creationists, gave
substantial credence to the Big Bang Theory. The thought was, in short, if we
can calculate how rapidly the universe is expanding, then we can turn the
telescope and the math the other direction and estimate at what point the
universe began.
It is at this point where creationists,
justifiably, begin to get nervous. The Biblical account seems to indicate a
relatively young earth, give or take six to ten thousand years old. It would be
horrific, if in looking backward through the telescope, they see that the
beginning of the universe was something older than ten thousand years. Without
the constraints of the Biblical account, however, secular scientists happily
postulate that the origin of universe can be calculated by looking backward
through the telescope. The mathematics and physics required to calculate this
are again, well beyond my capabilities, however the mathematics and physics can
be proved sound. As a believer in the Biblical account of Creation how can this
be reconciled?
Well, I suspect you're already a step
ahead of me. You are remembering the foundation that we laid in the first thought
experiment. Apparent age can surely account for the fact that the universe is
in active expansion. I agree with you on this point, so with that established, let's go back to where
we left off our second experiment and the cone.
Since we are using our imaginations
anyway, let's shrink ourselves down and take a walk. Let's step across the rim
of the cone, through the wide mouth of today, and take a short stroll through
history in reverse. Depending on how small you've made yourself, it will
take you more or less time to reach the date of Creation; but when we all
arrive, we'll congregate there for a moment. Now, let's turn back toward the
wide opening and see where we came from. We see several thousand years of
history expanding out before us. We see the geological effects of weather patterns, the
effects of a worldwide flood, earthquakes, volcanoes, and continental drift. If we pull out our telescopes, we can peer into the cosmos and observe the minute slipping of
galaxies in their outward trajectories, described by the exterior surface of
our cone.
This wide line where we stand, which we
drew around the outside of the cone representing the 6 days of creation, let's
say, represents the first stage in the expansion of the universe - a
substantial starting point to be sure. This is the hard part for the secularist, who keeps glancing back over his shoulder. For the last six to ten thousand years, while
galaxies and stars float apart, the universe has expanded from that
original state - until it reaches the rim of the cone, the ring that represents
today's date. So what we have at the large end of the cone, is the extent of
the universe's expansion over the last few thousand years. This is a vast
oversimplification, but experiments are good for that.
Now, still standing on the date-line of
creation, turn with me to face the opposite direction. This is where the
secularists have an advantage. The secularist will easily look back from this
historical point in time with utter disregard for the date of Biblical
creation. The secularist looks back through a nearly incalculable period
of time, toward an event that is almost universally accepted as being, the Big
Bang. And as logical creatures, we frankly have a hard time making our gaze
stop even at that event, for certainly something must have been going on before
that - no? However, for my argument and for my experiment we will have to limit
ourselves to the vast time between the single point at the cone's origin, the
Big Bang, and where we now stand on the day of Creation.
When we were facing toward the mouth,
we traced the galaxies in their ever expanding trajectory along the outside of
the cone. Now that we have spun on our heels and face the small end of
the cone, let's run the whole system in reverse and imagine those same galaxies
rushing back toward us in the opposite direction from that which they have
always moved. Now, imagine that they don't stop beside us on this
date-line of Creation, but instead keep rushing back toward that singular point
in the tip of the cone. We quickly realize that our cone is way too
small. Far into the distance race those galaxies, slowly-but-surely
drawing together toward some cataclysmic event.
Let's take a minute to get our breath. Those exercises may have been rough for both the secularist and the
creationist. In order to successfully complete the last experiment, both
would have to do more than just a little stretching. But we survived, and
from here we can all move forward into the next experiment.
Experiment #3
In 1987 an event occurred which sent
shivers of excitement through the world of astronomers and astrophysicists.
On February 23, 1987, Astronomers Ian Shelton and Oscar Duhalde, from the
Las Campanas Observatory in Chile began cross referencing with other
astronomers and soon the word was out - the first recorded supernova since 1604
was observed in the Tarantula Nebula, nested within a relatively
small tangential galaxy called the Large Magellanic Cloud. The blue super-giant star, Sanduleak -69° 202 had met its demise. The supernova's light slowly waxed and then waned over several months.
But, this event grabbed the attention
of more than just astronomers. For 3/4 of a century, the hunt for the
sub-atomic neutrino had been on. Physicists had postulated the
existence of this particle for decades, and had only recently begun to perfect
huge ultra-sensitive neutrino detectors, of various designs. Many of the
detectors were assembled a mile or more underground in mines to prevent solar
gamma rays from confusing the detectors and throwing off calculations, and
would often be considered successful if an event allowed them to detect even 2
or 3 of the minute neutrino particles. Neutrinos are so elusive, that
billions blast around the universe, created and ejected by nuclear reactions
both around the cosmos and from our own planet in controlled nuclear reactors,
and literally pass right though matter, including the core of the earth,
largely without interacting with a single other atomic particle.
When word of the Supernova reached
neutrino obsessed physicists, they inhaled in a collective gasp, recognizing
this monumental opportunity. The cataclysmic death of a super-giant star had
been calculated to be an impressive source of neutrinos. Here was an
opportunity to not only verify that theory, but to also test the detectors at
the same time. Anxious hours ensued, while astrophysicists and
astronomers compared notes. The exact time that photons from the
supernova had first reached the retinas of earthbound astronomers was narrowed
down to a period of time no greater than a few hours. The physicists then
checked their neutrino sniffers and emerged jubilant. Within 2-3 hours of
the observation of the first light of the supernova, the neutrino detectors
scattered around the globe had registered a massive, unprecedented 24 hits, at
nearly the exact same time - stunningly close to the exact quantity the theories had
predicted. This was undeniable proof that the neutrinos
had originated in Sanduleak's spectacular funeral pyre.
The science and physics required to
understand a supernova, or discover the neutrino would
be stupefying to us average humans. But so far as scientific
studies and research go - it is sound, nearly undisputed scientific fact.
So where does our 3rd experiment begin? It began 168,000 years ago
when Sanduleak -69° 202, which shone from 168,000 light years away,
detonated.
If you believe the creation account, as
I do, you must recognize that in 1987, we witnessed an event - hang on - that
never happened. I don't know about you, but that sends chills up my
spine. The event never occurred, but the historical documentation for it
arrived in the mail on February 23, 1987. It's as if we have a crime, a
motive, and we even have the fingerprints of the criminal. We know his
name, we have a physical description. But the perpetrator never existed. Let that blow your mind for a few minutes.
Experiment #4
For our final thought experiment, let's
not imagine. Let us let God imagine. We are going to let God imagine what the
history of the Earth and the cosmos was, prior to his creating it all in six
days. He gave it weather patterns, intergalactic collisions, and other cataclysmic
events that would form, what we see now as our universe, into an actively
expanding and developing system.
Apparent age is again our ally here,
but we need more than that now. We need a God. We need a God with
an incredible imagination. We need a God who can imagine what events have
occurred in non-existent history to bring his creation, to the point of Creation. We stand amazed as we gaze into the heavens and then
stand stupefied as a telescope reveals singular stars to actually be
entire galaxies, so far away that their light was ancient before Adam ever
looked up in wonder on the evening of the sixth day. Then turning the
glass around, we squint spellbound over the shoulder of biologists who explain
the division of cells, and parse the elements of the human genome.
All of that Divine creativity is too
much for us to comprehend - but it doesn't end there. That's simply the
beginning. What happened before the beginning is too much to grasp,
because it only happened in the mind of God. And yet, He gave us the historical
documentation for what he imagined. We look at continental drift,
geological strata, glacial carvings, the Grand Canyon, and the Himalayas - at a loss to adequately describe the processes that brought those about.
Many have tried to finger the Genesis account of the flood, or the
"days of Peleg" with most, if not all, of these baffling
geological anomalies. No doubt the Genesis flood gave the planet a face
lift, and certainly something happened in the days of Peleg, but why must we
reject the satellite proof of continental drift, in an attempt to defend the
Biblical account? Why claim that the flood somehow strategically carved a
canyon in the middle of the desert, then failed to extend it to the sea, in
order defend God's honor?
We don't discount geometry because
Pythagoras was likely an atheist, Decarte was a Catholic or Einstein a
Pantheist. Did their mistaken understanding of God affect their theology
- of course. Did it affect their application of science - certainly. Did it negatively affect their mathematical calculations - not likely. Likewise, in spite of the theologically challenged position of many
geologists, astronomers, and physicists, we can still admire their ability
to discern the historical account woven into the universe.
Conclusion:
Let me clarify a possible
misconception. I am not arguing for a gap theory. The gap theory asserts
that there is a gap or a series of gaps nestled within the Creation event,
which account for the hundreds of thousands of years or millions of years seen
in the geological and stellar historical documentation. I am not a gap
theorist. If some want to believe that, then that's fine. But a series of gaps
is not what I am arguing. If God wanted to incorporate a series of gaps into
Creation, then he certainly could have done just that. But again, that is not
what I'm arguing.
What I see is that, in spite of a six
day Creation event, there is historical evidence that supports an earth in
existence for tens of thousands, if not millions or billions of years. Since
the evidence exists, how is it that we cannot accept theories that would
support the geological and cosmological data? The Earth is old. The Earth
appears to be really, really old. The natural forces that would have
played upon our planet to get it to appear very old can be accounted for
scientifically. Why then would we pretend that those types of forces could not
have possibly played a role in the appearance of a very old Earth - just
because the scientists that discover them don't like our God?
This is where the argument becomes
difficult, because, I don't believe those ancient events actually took place. I don't believe the earth is any older than what can be deduced from the
Bible's own historical account, but the historical evidence of a much older Earth is right under our noses none-the-less.
I applaud physicists for at least
labeling the Big Bang, a theory. I'm not even willing to do that with
Creation. I don't believe in a "Creation Theory." I have
chosen to step beyond the scientific model for expression, and step into the
model of faith. I believe in Creation like I believe
in God. There is no question or possibility of a "Creation
Theory" revision. History cannot be revised. It is for this
very reason that, acceptance of the Big Bang Theory really doesn't pose any
problem for me. As a theory, I think it's pretty good science. However, as the origin of the universe, I believe it is a philosophical
rejection of the existence of God.
That is a huge distinction, so don't
miss it. Theories about how our universe came to be as it is, may
discover the workings of the imagination of a rather creative God. However, if those theories are applied to philosophy to disprove the
existence of God, they are doomed to foolishness on that account.
Let me be clear - I take the existence
of God on faith. I'm not in the God-proving business. God has done a good
enough job in proving Himself, and certainly needs nothing added by me. Let the Holy Spirit of God make believers out of theorists. I'm not
going to usurp that role.
My role is to communicate the truth of
the gospel of Jesus Christ, and worship. And, in the meantime, I will
enjoy His creation and His unbounded imagination as it is incrementally
revealed by modern science.
One final statement. In no way do
I support Darwinian evolution. The Big Bang Theory was held sacred by
Darwinians because it supposedly provided enough time for mankind to have
evolved. Even if the Darwinian science was not flawed - which I believe it is
- there would still be no possible way that Darwinian evolution could coexist
with Creation, and mankind's assignation as being created in the
image of God. Darwin was searching for an excuse to omit God and His
expectations for His creation, and he found what he was looking for. God
have mercy on any of us who finds success in that same endeavor.
Thanks Dad and D. Gardenghi for your help on this paper.
Scott,
ReplyDeleteThank you for bringing up such an important topic. I appreciate the tone with which you write. It is evident that you seek truth in a manner that does not condemn others.
I am also grateful that you see the great difficulties that exist between what we can study in scripture and what we can study in nature. The answers that exist are not easy to discern.
I would like to push back a little, if I may. Just a little background about me. I grew up with a conservative baptist background and was taught that a young earth and creation ex nihilo was the only acceptable position to hold as a believer. After graduating from a very conservative christian university, I began to study creation issues in an attempt to strengthen my understanding of the young earth perspective. What happened instead was that, for the first time, I was confronted with facts that did not mesh with what I had been raised to believed.
This crisis of faith caused me to question much. However, what I held on to was that God is true and that all truth is God’s truth no matter where it may be found. I began a journey of studying creation and scripture that has lasted eight years and counting. While I, like you, have no formal training, I have come to a place where I can accept the scientific views of creation as well as the claims of scripture. However, I still don’t have all the answers.
My concern is that by staunchly holding to a young earth position, we as christians are driving people out of the church and are placing a stumbling block in front of those outside the faith. I know that it almost happened to me and I know that it has happened to my friends. These issues are not merely fodder for debate but truly affect people’s lives.
If I understand your blog post correctly, you see the “appearance of age” as existing in the imagination of God. God then presents this “vision” in creation which we perceive as apparent age.
First, the problem I have with the “appearance of age” argument is that we have no way to separate reality from fantasy. We need to understand that age is not the same thing as history. Age is a state of being. History is a record of actual events in space and time. These are two very different concepts. In other words, God can not “imagine” a history. He, by His own words, is not entitled to deceive us by showing us a made up history without also informing us that it never actually happened. Either all the things we observe happened or they didn’t. The critical nature of this becomes obvious when we speak of the miracle of the resurrection of Christ. Did the disciples merely “imagine” the resurrection or was it a real event in space and time?
Second, we need to deal with the character of God. Is God a deceiver? Absolutely not! In fact, God is interested in the facts. We are told to “reason together”, to “study to show that we are approved”, to “search out the scriptures”, to see “the heavens declare God’s glory”, etc. Jesus even told doubting Thomas to check the wounds from the nails as proof that it really was Jesus raised from the dead. God is interested in knowledge and facts. We have a reasonable faith. To pursue a line of thinking which puts God in a position of promoting make-believe is, in my opinion, dangerous.
So, where does that leave us? It leaves us with how to interpret Genesis chapters 1 and 2. We need to realize that the creation account is not intended to be a scientific accounting of the creation event. In reality, it was God’s way of combating the pagan understanding of creation and chaos that was prevalent at the time of its writing. When understood in light of what is called the “ancient near-eastern perspective”, we are able to grasp the truth of creation (God did it) without needing to contort it to match what we see in nature. I would mention bible scholar John Walton and his book The Lost World of Genesis One as a fantastic resource for one way of understanding the cultural context of the creation account.
Continued from above...
ReplyDeleteRegarding the Big Bang. As christians, it shouldn’t bother us at all. Think about it like this. Science tells us that the Big Bang originated as an infinity small and infinitely dense point of matter. To me, that sounds like what we call creation ex nihilo. Furthermore if God caused the Big Bang, We have way to accept the scientific facts in a manner that gives all the credit to God. It is interesting to note that there are secular scientists who don’t like the concept of the Big Bang because, in their estimation, it is way too close to requiring a supreme being.
Regarding Darwin. Please understand that in reality, Darwin did not start with the intent of omitting God. Darwin states that, "During these two years I was led to think much about religion. Whilst on board the Beagle, I was quite orthodox, & I remember being heartily laughed at by several of the officers (though themselves orthodox) for quoting the Bible as an unanswerable authority on some point of morality.”
Now, over time, Darwin came to change his views on God, but he did not set out with that purpose. He intentions were to learn more about nature and that is all. Darwin also states that, “With respect to the theological view of the question; this is always painful to me.— I am bewildered.– I had no intention to write atheistically. But I own that I cannot see, as plainly as others do, & as I [should] wish to do, evidence of design & beneficence on all sides of us.”
Whatever you may say about Darwin, he was not an evil, god-hating monster as he is portrayed by many christians today. He was not trying to disprove God. Instead, he was faced with evidence for which the church at large didn’t readily have an answer.
In reality, Darwin should serve as a warning to us today. Just as Darwin struggled with the things of God, so too do people today struggle to reconcile God’s word and God’s creation. Just as the church failed to adequately address the concerns Darwin had, the church today keeps presenting the same tired and unconvincing arguments. We need to seriously reevaluate some of our scriptural interpretations.
Luther and Calvin on Copernicus should serve as good examples of our need to reinterpret our understanding of scripture. Luther said, “There was mention of a certain new astrologer who wanted to prove that the earth moves and not the sky, the sun, and the moon. This would be as if somebody were riding on a cart or in a ship and imagined that he was standing still while the earth and the trees were moving. [Luther remarked] “So it goes now. Whoever wants to be clever must agree with nothing that others esteem. He must do something of his own. This is what that fellow does who wishes to turn the whole of astronomy upside down. Even in these things that are thrown into disorder I believe the Holy Scriptures, for Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth”
Luther, the great reformer, interpreted scripture incorrectly.
If we can reinterpret the face-value reading of geocentrism in scripture, we can reinterpret the face-value reading of the creation account. To be sure, much work needs to be done. However, if we fail in this endeavor, we will continue to unnecessarily hinder the cause of Christ.
Jarod
Hey buddy, good to hear from you.
ReplyDeleteI used all my fire-power in building my argument, so even if I felt inclined, I don't think I could refute. But I don't feel inclined to argue. I'm thrilled that the ideas and thoughts are out there.
I don't like Darwinian theories on any level, as being made in the image of God, is so vital to the sanctity of life. So if God used evolution in biology to any great extent - He will just have to excuse my willing ignorance until He can demonstrate it to me personally on the far side. Looking forward to having these discussions over there. God Bless.
Scott,
ReplyDeleteA few thoughts about man being made in the image of God and then I will bow out unless you would like to continue.
I agree that the image of God issue is important. There are three aspects in which we may be made in God’s image.
Physically? Probably not because God is spirit. Therefore, we don’t “look” like God. It does not matter how we physically got here or what we look like.
Morally, intelligently, creatively etc.? Sort of, but again probably not. There are animals that have these kinds of characteristics. So what distinguishes a mere animal from a human being?
Representatively. Most likely. When we understand that we were and are intended to be God’s ambassadors to the world, we most accurately reflect God’s image. Just like a king might erect a statue of himself to remind people of his dominion, we are commanded to multiply and steward the creation of God to continue the work of God on the earth.
I think the representative aspect of God’s image also best protects the sanctity of life. Why? Because it removes the need to justify the preservation of life for only those who are viable, healthy, young, and of sound mind. The qualification for image bearer is instead that we are the picture of God to the world. Just as a king would not tolerate the desecration of his likeness, God does not tolerate the devaluing of those who bear his image. This representative aspect of God’s image most fully encapsulates what it means to be created in the image of God.
All that to say that the image of God really is moot when talking about age of the earth or evolution. The image of God is a purpose, not a condition.
Once again, I appreciate your willingness to talk about these issues. Even though we may disagree on some things, Christ unites us.
Jarod
If only "Representatively" as ambassadors or pictures of God to the world, then Adam and Eve had no way of being in God's image until there was sin - or at least a population, and thus had a need or even an opportunity to be a representative. Yet, obviously they were created in God's image - whatever that means - as soon as God breathed the soul into them. Did, after Billions of years of biological evolution, God decided to halt the evolutionary process at Homo sapien, reach down, pull us from the dust of the ground and breathe into our nostrils the breath of life? Only He knows, though my understanding of Him doesn't send me down that path. (Personally, I really, really, hope not.) I do concede, however, that some of us - make that all of us - are going to be amazed when we find out what actually happened. I can't wait. Grace and Peace. God Bless
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